From craig pcube.com Tue Sep 3 10:14:36 2002 From: craig pcube.com (Craig Birkmaier) Date: Wed Jul 23 13:51:37 2003 Subject: [M4IF Discuss] MPEG-4 security application questions Message-ID: I am not certain this is the correct list for the following question, but it does touch on the royalty issue. I received the following request for information from a colleague looking at MPEG-4 for a security application. If anyone has specific information about this request, please e-mail me privately and I will hook you up with a potential client... >I looking for some information and was hoping you might be able to >point me in the right direction. I am looking for either a hardware >or software solution that can stream MPEG-4 video real-time from a >camera. This is a security application and the only products I have >been able to find are those that stream from a server, which is >unacceptable. Do you know of any? As a side thought, re: MPEG-LA >and the royalty issue, do you think they will charge on a viewer or >decoder basis? In my application, we may have several decoders in >standby mode and the video will not be viewed unless an incident >occurs and then one or many viewers may look at the same image at >maybe one to two locations. -- Regards Craig Birkmaier Pcube Labs From craig pcube.com Tue Sep 10 10:37:07 2002 From: craig pcube.com (Craig Birkmaier) Date: Wed Jul 23 13:51:38 2003 Subject: [M4IF Discuss] Analysis: The next MPEG step Message-ID: http://www.e-insite.net/eb-mag/index.asp?layout=article&stt=000&articleid=CA241180&pubdate=9/1/2002 The next MPEG step Chip makers are gearing up for a new video standard, but will the market be there? By Dean Takahashi, illustration by David Cutler -- Electronic Business, 9/1/2024 The last time that film experts released a new video compression technology, in the early 1990s, they fueled an economic boom for chip makers. Tens of millions of chips that were compatible with the MPEG-2 (Motion Pictures Experts Group) video standard were used in satellite TV decoders, DVD players and digital cable TV set-top boxes. Now chip makers are rushing to embrace a new video standard, MPEG-4, which promises even better compression. But this time the transition may not yield the same business boom. Those who believe the hype about MPEG-4 say that, just as MPEG-2 enabled satellite TV and DVD, MPEG-4 will lead to video on cell phones, video on demand on cable TV, richer DVDs that can store an entire movie collection on a single disk and better digital TV. With a single video standard used across so many devices, video content authors can look beyond the traditional markets and get revenues from having their movies run on cell phones or other portable devices. "The goal for standards such as MPEG-4 is to offer everyone the hope of capturing video any time, any place, with the expectation that content can be exchanged or displayed whatever the device," says Avi Katz, CEO of Equator Technologies Inc., a Campbell, CA, maker of programmable media processors that can run MPEG-4 video. One MPEG-4 optimist is Rob Koenen, president of the MPEG-4 Industry Forum, a broad industry coalition promoting the standard. Because MPEG-4's compression enables video to transfer in a shorter time, it reduces bandwidth costs. Cell-phone network operators can benefit from it because their data rates are barely fast enough to support video streams and cable TV providers can use the better compression to squeeze more channels through the same cables. In addition to better compression, MPEG-4 images are more interactive, able to blend in graphics and other interactive elements such as active menu buttons into video, notes Koenen. For instance, splicing your head onto Obi-Wan's body in Star Wars: Episode One is relatively painless, technologically speaking, with MPEG-4 video. And MPEG-4 transmits equally well over phone lines, broadcast, cable or wireless, with data rates ranging from 5 kilobits a second to 50 megabits a second. As such, it can display a small video on a cell phone or a rich image on a digital TV. But there are obstacles aplenty. One has been a conflict over MPEG-4 licensing. MPEG-4 was created in 1998 and ratified as an international standard in 1999. But the group of 26 MPEG-4 patent- holders took until early this year to hammer out a licensing scheme-which was then rejected by the potential licensees. Although a compromise was worked out in July (see Web Exclusive, "Pegging MPEG-4's price "), at least some observers still are skeptical. Companies may agree in principle today, but "when [the market] takes off, you'll see people start questioning this model again," says Jay Srivatsa, principal analyst at iSuppli Corp., a market research company in El Segundo, CA. Moreover, MPEG-4 has plenty of competition. Not only is MPEG-2 surviving in many applications such as digital cable TV, there are rival video compression technologies. Real Networks Inc., Seattle, and Microsoft Corp., Redmond, WA, are supporting their own proprietary compression schemes in software. Real Networks in April released its Real 9 video player. And Microsoft is preparing a new version of its Windows Media Player. Microsoft says Windows Media 9 is 20% faster than Microsoft's current technology (no comparisons to MPEG-4 video are available yet) and it will come with integrated digital rights management technology that Hollywood movie studios have been pushing (see "Hollywood calls the shots "). In fact, the PC market will be dominated by software video compression, according to Srivatsa, so there's not much of a market for MPEG-4 chips there. That means the biggest opportunity is in streaming video on cell phones and personal digital assistants, he says. And there's no killer application yet. No one knows if consumers will be willing to dish out money for high-end services like video on cell phones. Indeed, the market for standalone MPEG-4 chips is small. By 2006, it should hit only $100 million, or 10 million units, which would be a mere 3% of the overall video chip market, according to Michelle Abraham, an analyst for In-Stat/MDR, a market researcher in Scottsdale, AZ, that is owned by ELECTRONIC BUSINESS parent company, Reed Business Information. Meanwhile, the entire video chip market is expected to triple in revenue from $1 billion in 2001 to $3.3 billion in 2006, says In-Stat/MDR. Where's the driver? In 1994, the market for video chips exploded because systems companies had to buy dedicated MPEG-2 decoders for their satellite TV boxes and other products. These were compelling applications that required standalone MPEG-2 chips. Today, not only is there no strong driver for MPEG-4, but also Moore's Law has delivered so much silicon real estate that it's almost a trivial matter to add support for MPEG-4 to any existing chip. Dallas-based Texas Instruments Inc., for instance, has built support for MPEG-4 into its high-end family of digital signal processors (DSPs). "The era of the standalone MPEG-4 device is limited because you can put so much more on a chip," says Richard Templeton, chief operating officer of TI. "There will be some applications (like cell phones) where you can run it on a purely programmable DSP, and you'll also find MPEG-4 dedicated silicon. But you have got to have MPEG-4 in your arsenal." Because of these barriers, chip makers must use the right strategy in embracing MPEG-4. Demand could take off so slowly that only start-ups may be happy with the number of unit sales. Larger companies may do better to include MPEG-4 in their design libraries, but only invest heavily when the demand materializes. Nevertheless, dozens of chip makers have signed up to provide native support for MPEG-4 in their video chips, programmable DSPs and microprocessors. The market for all video chips is dominated by ESS Technology Inc., Fremont, CA, (which has a 31% market share thanks mainly to its video CD chips sold mostly in China), STMicroelectronics NV, Geneva, (23%) and LSI Logic Inc., Milpitas, CA, (23%), according to In-Stat/MDR. Then there are smaller companies like Sigma Designs, MediaQ, Tensilica, Neomagic, Equator Technologies and Trimedia. Other companies, like iVast Inc., Santa Clara, CA, are supplying MPEG-4 intellectual property to chip and systems companies like Philips Electronics NV, Eindhoven, Netherlands. In June, Conexant Systems Inc., Newport Beach, CA, agreed to buy the video compression business from GlobespanVirata Inc., Redbank, NJ, for about $25 million in cash and stock. Toshiba Corp. and Matshushita Electric Industrial Co. Ltd., both of Tokyo, Japan, are already supplying chips for Japanese cell phones that are connected to the broadband wireless network of NTT DoCoMo Inc., Tokyo. So far, those phones are off to a slower-than-expected start, raising the question of whether people really want to watch movies on their cell phones. Sigma Designs, Milpitas, CA, launched an MPEG-4 decoder for set-top boxes in November and followed up in June with a decoder for DVD players. German broadband operator HanseNet, which has 20,000 DSL subscribers in the city of Hamburg, is deploying boxes with a Sigma Designs decoder chip to offer video-on-demand services. Does one size fit all? Part of each company's strategy must be to decide whether to use a programmable processor or a dedicated MPEG-4 chip. Some companies are going the programmable route, noting that video specifications are constantly in flux. For instance, neither Microsoft nor Real Networks are slowing down enough to freeze their compression specs into a standard. The MPEG-4 standard is set, but because it does not limit quality to specific levels, those who implement it can continuously improve the quality of image playback. Chip makers are being asked to support all three standards in their chips, as well as MPEG-2. As a result, systems companies may turn to programmable chips from companies like Equator Technologies, whose media processor has a very fast core engine that can be programmed to run different media types. "The goal for standards such as MPEG-4 is to offer everyone the hope of capturing video any time, any place, with the expectation that content can be exchanged or displayed, whatever the device." -Avi Katz, CEO, Equator Technologies Inc. "When the standards are in flux, our flexible solution is much better," says Equator's Katz. LSI Logic's programmable Domino chips will be upgraded easily with software to handle MPEG-4, adds Bob Saffari, a product marketing manager at LSI. But Sigma Designs is betting that there will be a good market for dedicated silicon. The company is making MPEG-4 chips for cable TV set-top boxes, particularly those that will run high-definition TV. The MPEG-4 specification is four inches thick with plenty of room for implementation differences, depending on the application in mind or the degree of interactivity, notes Ken Lowe, vice president of business development at Sigma. There are in fact 19 or so flavors of MPEG-4, known as profiles, and implementing them all in silicon, particularly programmable solutions, isn't all that easy. That's why Lowe believes that the market will divide into two parts: low-end video on cell phones that can be handled by programmable microprocessors or DSPs, and a high-end market for set-top boxes, DVD players and digital TV sets that will require more complicated standalone MPEG-4 chipsets. Some chips will merely support simple versions of the MPEG-4 profiles, like those that merely play back video, rather than enable interactivity. The more profiles supported, the more sophisticated the silicon has to be. The high-end chips will be taxed even more heavily if they are called upon to support Windows Media and Real Networks video in addition to MPEG-4, Lowe says. On top of that, Lowe believes that encoding tasks-in which video images are compressed so that they can be transmitted efficiently-will be more complex and may also require more dedicated silicon, largely because they require a more complicated processing task known as motion estimation. Some chips, such as all-digital satellite TV chips, won't need to encode. But analog cable TV chips must both encode and decode video images. "If people want better compression, higher quality and interactivity all at the same time, we believe that requires dedicated silicon," says Lowe. A mixed approach Other companies are offering hybrid solutions for MPEG-4 processing. Tensilica, Santa Clara, CA, a maker of configurable microprocessors, contends that video processing for cell phones isn't a trivial task and that's why some of its customers have created custom microprocessors that combine the features of a programmable microprocessor with customized instructions that handle specific tasks like motion estimation. With those instructions hardwired into the chip, the programmable Tensilica chip can hit better performance levels, the company maintains. "If you use a microprocessor, it's important to offload some of the computationally intensive tasks to specific instructions," says Leo Petropoulos, director of applications at Tensilica. "You get the best of both worlds, better performance with the custom instructions and flexibility from the processor." Neomagic, Santa Clara, which once made laptop graphics chips and now has refocused on the embedded chip market, is designing a MIPS-based microprocessor that will have built-in support for multimedia such as MPEG-4. The company is aiming the chip at handheld devices that will run games or video, play music or take digital pictures. "If people want better compression, higher quality and interactivity all at the same time, we believe that requires dedicated silicon." -Ken Lowe, vice president of business development, Sigma Designs Inc. "The adolescent market might go for a device where you can watch Britney Spears dance and listen to her song at the same time," says Mark Singer, vice president of marketing at Neomagic. "Or maybe you can have a personal karaoke player." And it isn't necessarily true that cell-phone chips that transfer video at low-bit rates won't require much processing power, says Singer. Rather, because of the difficulty of transferring high-quality video at low bit rates, the cell-phone processor may have to have a lot of horsepower, without consuming too much power. "It takes a lot of horsepower and how you go about it depends on your strategy," he says. "It's our intention to do better with multimedia, whether it is compression or playback. And compression is usually 10 times harder." For any consumer device, it's important that chip makers tailor their chips so that they run MPEG-4 video faster and more efficiently than pure software. Chip makers who optimize for MPEG-4, Real Networks or Windows Media content can make the hardware run the video faster and consume less memory. That allows the devices to display high quality and yet consume less battery power and be smaller, says Kent Libbey, a vice president at iVast. But how much of a market these chips ultimately find is still a big question. The standard has been out since 1999, "and there's still really no traction yet," notes Srivatsa. While vendors hope for MPEG-4 applications on cell phones, "we can't even keep cell phones from dropping [voice] calls," quips Srivatsa, emphasizing that watching streaming video on a cell phone might be quite a stretch. As for set-top boxes, there is an installed base of tens of millions of cable boxes in homes today that aren't MPEG-4 compliant. Consumers with those machines would have to be convinced to trade up to a better box with the newest MPEG-4 chips. That could take time, says Carl Rosendahl, managing director at Mobius Venture Capital, Mountain View, CA. Case in point: AT&T has backed off on the aggressive deployment of next-generation set-tops. "It's tough to justify the economics of putting more boxes into homes," Rosendahl says. That's why some of the chip makers and their equipment allies are going after other customers, such as phone companies overseas. For years, phone companies have wanted to use ordinary phone lines with digital subscriber line (DSL) technology to feed video into homes and compete with cable TV. Those plans have been dealt setbacks by the telecom collapse and the slower than expected rollout of DSL. But the potential is still there, because phone companies don't have to worry about upgrading existing set-top boxes and could use MPEG-4's better compression to offer more video choices. "They've slowed down in the United States, but overseas in markets like Italy, they're being more aggressive," says Abraham at In-Stat/MDR. Dean Takahashi is a freelance writer. He can be reached via e-mail at dean.takahashi@hotmail.com. SIDEBAR: Pegging MPEG-4's price By Dean Takahashi -- Electronic Business, 9/1/2024 The MPEG-4 video standard has been the subject of a nasty licensing dispute that shows how hard it is to get an entire industry moving in the same direction. The industry finally worked out a deal in mid-July, but the slow pace of establishing a mutually acceptable licensing agreement was frustrating because the industry had successfully licensed video standards before. The prior video standard, MPEG-2, has been licensed since 1993. So far, 19 companies have licensed more than 400 patents to the MPEG-2 licensing authority, which collects royalties of $2.50 for each MPEG-2 product created. Under antitrust law, it's legal for the companies to pool their licensing efforts, as long as they do so in a fair and nondiscriminatory fashion. With MPEG-4, 26 companies banded together in the MPEG Licensing Authority consortium. They are licensing more than 50 patents as a group to chip makers, system makers and video player software makers. Terms for the audio portion of the standard were accepted, but when the licensing authority issued its proposed royalty scheme for the video standard in January the licensees revolted. The licensees felt that the terms were too onerous because they not only included 25-cent-per-product fees but also usage fees for every MPEG-4 video stream that was downloaded or encoded with their products, says Rob Koenen, president of the MPEG-4 Industry Forum, a group that includes licensees such as chip makers, systems makers and makers of video players. Moreover, "tracking the usage was a difficult accounting requirement as well for most companies," says Koenen. Under a compromise announced in July, chip and systems makers whose devices include MPEG-4 encoders and decoders will pay a royalty of 25 cents per device. But the fees are capped at $1 million a year for encoders and $1 million for decoders, and there is no royalty charge for the first 50,000. Those who offer video services to subscribers, such as Web sites that offer streaming video, will pay 25 cents per subscriber or 0.000333 cents per minute of video viewed, subject to a cap of $1 million per year. Likewise, there is no royalty for the first 50,000 subscribers. Those who don't want to track usage can just pay $1 million in royalties per year. Makers of DVDs or other packaged movies would pay up to 4 cents a movie, depending on length of the film. At least some analysts are skeptical that this model will work. The companies may agree in theory today, but when and if MPEG-4 takes off, they are likely to bristle at a licensing model that charges based on consumer usage, says Jay Srivatsa, principle analyst at iSuppli Corp. "I suspect this issue is not going to go away," he says. Meanwhile, On2 Technologies Inc., a video player maker in New York City that supports its own video compression scheme, complained to the Department of Justice and a number of state attorneys general that the MPEG Licensing Authority might be anti-competitive, largely because it allows its members to cut cross-licensing deals with each other, but outside companies must negotiate only with the licensing authority as a whole, says Doug McIntyre, CEO of On2. So far, McIntyre is waiting for reactions from the regulators before taking any further action, he says. From olivier.avaro rd.francetelecom.com Mon Sep 16 15:46:41 2002 From: olivier.avaro rd.francetelecom.com (AVARO Olivier FTRD/DIH/REN) Date: Wed Jul 23 13:51:38 2003 Subject: [M4IF Discuss] MPEG-4 security application questions Message-ID: <571B06D35309794BA9204B5A090CC1010101EF3C@lanmhs50.rd.francetelecom.fr> I think Envivio solutions can do that. cu, O. > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Craig Birkmaier [mailto:craig@pcube.com] > Envoye : mardi 3 septembre 2002 15:15 > A : discuss@lists.m4if.org > Objet : [M4IF Discuss] MPEG-4 security application questions > > > I am not certain this is the correct list for the following question, > but it does touch on the royalty issue. > > I received the following request for information from a colleague > looking at MPEG-4 for a security application. > > If anyone has specific information about this request, please e-mail > me privately and I will hook you up with a potential client... > > > >I looking for some information and was hoping you might be able to > >point me in the right direction. I am looking for either a hardware > >or software solution that can stream MPEG-4 video real-time from a > >camera. This is a security application and the only products I have > >been able to find are those that stream from a server, which is > >unacceptable. Do you know of any? As a side thought, re: MPEG-LA > >and the royalty issue, do you think they will charge on a viewer or > >decoder basis? In my application, we may have several decoders in > >standby mode and the video will not be viewed unless an incident > >occurs and then one or many viewers may look at the same image at > >maybe one to two locations. > -- > Regards > Craig Birkmaier > Pcube Labs > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.m4if.org > http://lists.m4if.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From rkoenen intertrust.com Mon Sep 16 07:02:28 2002 From: rkoenen intertrust.com (Rob Koenen) Date: Wed Jul 23 13:51:38 2003 Subject: [M4IF Discuss] MPEG-4 security application questions Message-ID: <3C124172E7FDD511B510000347426D59011B3A70@exchange.epr.com> Someone told me they had seen a DV camera with a small add-on module that would encode in MPEG-4 and stream over IP. Can't think of the brand now ... Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: AVARO Olivier FTRD/DIH/REN > [mailto:olivier.avaro@rd.francetelecom.com] > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2023 14:47 > To: Craig Birkmaier; discuss@lists.m4if.org > Subject: RE: [M4IF Discuss] MPEG-4 security application questions > > > I think Envivio solutions can do that. > cu, > O. > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Craig Birkmaier [mailto:craig@pcube.com] > > Envoye : mardi 3 septembre 2002 15:15 > > A : discuss@lists.m4if.org > > Objet : [M4IF Discuss] MPEG-4 security application questions > > > > > > I am not certain this is the correct list for the following > question, > > but it does touch on the royalty issue. > > > > I received the following request for information from a colleague > > looking at MPEG-4 for a security application. > > > > If anyone has specific information about this request, > please e-mail > > me privately and I will hook you up with a potential client... > > > > > > >I looking for some information and was hoping you might be able to > > >point me in the right direction. I am looking for either > a hardware > > >or software solution that can stream MPEG-4 video real-time from a > > >camera. This is a security application and the only > products I have > > >been able to find are those that stream from a server, which is > > >unacceptable. Do you know of any? As a side thought, re: MPEG-LA > > >and the royalty issue, do you think they will charge on a > viewer or > > >decoder basis? In my application, we may have several decoders in > > >standby mode and the video will not be viewed unless an incident > > >occurs and then one or many viewers may look at the same image at > > >maybe one to two locations. > > -- > > Regards > > Craig Birkmaier > > Pcube Labs > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > Discuss@lists.m4if.org > > http://lists.m4if.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.m4if.org > http://lists.m4if.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From singer apple.com Mon Sep 16 10:21:06 2002 From: singer apple.com (Dave Singer) Date: Wed Jul 23 13:51:38 2003 Subject: [M4IF Discuss] MPEG-4 security application questions In-Reply-To: <3C124172E7FDD511B510000347426D59011B3A70@exchange.epr.com> References: <3C124172E7FDD511B510000347426D59011B3A70@exchange.epr.com> Message-ID: At 06:02 -0700 9/16/02, Rob Koenen wrote: >Someone told me they had seen a DV camera with a small add-on >module that would encode in MPEG-4 and stream over IP. >Can't think of the brand now ... > >Rob QuickTime with the QuickTime broadcaster and a suitable camera could do that (on a Mac). You can multicast, which means you are server-free. > > -----Original Message----- >> From: AVARO Olivier FTRD/DIH/REN >> [mailto:olivier.avaro@rd.francetelecom.com] >> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2023 14:47 >> To: Craig Birkmaier; discuss@lists.m4if.org >> Subject: RE: [M4IF Discuss] MPEG-4 security application questions >> >> >> I think Envivio solutions can do that. >> cu, >> O. >> >> > -----Message d'origine----- >> > De : Craig Birkmaier [mailto:craig@pcube.com] >> > Envoye : mardi 3 septembre 2002 15:15 >> > A : discuss@lists.m4if.org >> > Objet : [M4IF Discuss] MPEG-4 security application questions >> > >> > >> > I am not certain this is the correct list for the following >> question, >> > but it does touch on the royalty issue. >> > >> > I received the following request for information from a colleague >> > looking at MPEG-4 for a security application. >> > >> > If anyone has specific information about this request, >> please e-mail >> > me privately and I will hook you up with a potential client... >> > >> > >> > >I looking for some information and was hoping you might be able to >> > >point me in the right direction. I am looking for either >> a hardware >> > >or software solution that can stream MPEG-4 video real-time from a >> > >camera. This is a security application and the only >> products I have >> > >been able to find are those that stream from a server, which is >> > >unacceptable. Do you know of any? As a side thought, re: MPEG-LA >> > >and the royalty issue, do you think they will charge on a >> viewer or >> > >decoder basis? In my application, we may have several decoders in >> > >standby mode and the video will not be viewed unless an incident >> > >occurs and then one or many viewers may look at the same image at >> > >maybe one to two locations. >> > -- >> > Regards >> > Craig Birkmaier >> > Pcube Labs >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Discuss mailing list >> > Discuss@lists.m4if.org >> > http://lists.m4if.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss@lists.m4if.org >> http://lists.m4if.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> >_______________________________________________ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss@lists.m4if.org >http://lists.m4if.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- David Singer Apple Computer/QuickTime From gil nierika.com Mon Sep 16 13:18:15 2002 From: gil nierika.com (gil@nierika.com) Date: Wed Jul 23 13:51:38 2003 Subject: [M4IF Discuss] MPEG-4 security application questions Message-ID: <20020916161815.LPYX3184.imta01a2.registeredsite.com@smtp.registeredsite.com> I apologize if this if this is sent incorrectly. I am sending it from a library while on vacation (I just can't leave my email). The camera is made by JVC, I just saw the advertisement in DV magazine (www.dv.com ?)this morning. I think the model number is U300. I am sure you will find it on the JVC website or for sale at BH Photo in NY (they also have a web site). > > From: Rob Koenen > Date: 2023/09/16 Mon AM 09:02:28 EDT > To: "'AVARO Olivier FTRD/DIH/REN'" , > Craig Birkmaier , discuss@lists.m4if.org > Subject: RE: [M4IF Discuss] MPEG-4 security application questions > > Someone told me they had seen a DV camera with a small add-on > module that would encode in MPEG-4 and stream over IP. > Can't think of the brand now ... > > Rob > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AVARO Olivier FTRD/DIH/REN > > [mailto:olivier.avaro@rd.francetelecom.com] > > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2023 14:47 > > To: Craig Birkmaier; discuss@lists.m4if.org > > Subject: RE: [M4IF Discuss] MPEG-4 security application questions > > > > > > I think Envivio solutions can do that. > > cu, > > O. > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > De : Craig Birkmaier [mailto:craig@pcube.com] > > > Envoye : mardi 3 septembre 2002 15:15 > > > A : discuss@lists.m4if.org > > > Objet : [M4IF Discuss] MPEG-4 security application questions > > > > > > > > > I am not certain this is the correct list for the following > > question, > > > but it does touch on the royalty issue. > > > > > > I received the following request for information from a colleague > > > looking at MPEG-4 for a security application. > > > > > > If anyone has specific information about this request, > > please e-mail > > > me privately and I will hook you up with a potential client... > > > > > > > > > >I looking for some information and was hoping you might be able to > > > >point me in the right direction. I am looking for either > > a hardware > > > >or software solution that can stream MPEG-4 video real-time from a > > > >camera. This is a security application and the only > > products I have > > > >been able to find are those that stream from a server, which is > > > >unacceptable. Do you know of any? As a side thought, re: MPEG-LA > > > >and the royalty issue, do you think they will charge on a > > viewer or > > > >decoder basis? In my application, we may have several decoders in > > > >standby mode and the video will not be viewed unless an incident > > > >occurs and then one or many viewers may look at the same image at > > > >maybe one to two locations. > > > -- > > > Regards > > > Craig Birkmaier > > > Pcube Labs > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Discuss mailing list > > > Discuss@lists.m4if.org > > > http://lists.m4if.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > Discuss@lists.m4if.org > > http://lists.m4if.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.m4if.org > http://lists.m4if.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > From john.s.osullivan homenetcomm.com Mon Sep 16 19:15:24 2002 From: john.s.osullivan homenetcomm.com (John S O'Sullivan) Date: Wed Jul 23 13:51:38 2003 Subject: [M4IF Discuss] re - Security Application Message-ID: I work with a company called Homenet Communications Ltd. We have developed a small embedded media server with integrated alarm panel. It can stream and record from one of eight connected cameras once an alarm input has been triggered. The alarm panel and encoder are fully configurable through an onboard web server. It has a very small foot print , ideal for security or monitoring applications. Details at www.homenetcomm.com. regards John O'Sullivan > > > De : Craig Birkmaier [mailto:craig@pcube.com] > > > Envoye : mardi 3 septembre 2002 15:15 > > > A : discuss@lists.m4if.org > > > Objet : [M4IF Discuss] MPEG-4 security application questions > > > > > > > > > I am not certain this is the correct list for the following > > question, > > > but it does touch on the royalty issue. > > > > > > I received the following request for information from a colleague > > > looking at MPEG-4 for a security application. > > > > > > If anyone has specific information about this request, > > please e-mail > > > me privately and I will hook you up with a potential client... > > > > > > > > > >I looking for some information and was hoping you might be able to > > > >point me in the right direction. I am looking for either > > a hardware > > > >or software solution that can stream MPEG-4 video real-time from a > > > >camera. This is a security application and the only > > products I have > > > >been able to find are those that stream from a server, which is > > > >unacceptable. Do you know of any? As a side thought, re: MPEG-LA > > > >and the royalty issue, do you think they will charge on a > > viewer or > > > >decoder basis? In my application, we may have several decoders in > > > >standby mode and the video will not be viewed unless an incident > > > >occurs and then one or many viewers may look at the same image at > > > >maybe one to two locations. > > > -- > > > Regards > > > Craig Birkmaier > > > Pcube Labs > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Discuss mailing list > > > Discuss@lists.m4if.org > > > http://lists.m4if.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss From olivier.avaro rd.francetelecom.com Mon Sep 16 20:41:35 2002 From: olivier.avaro rd.francetelecom.com (AVARO Olivier FTRD/DIH/REN) Date: Wed Jul 23 13:51:38 2003 Subject: [M4IF Discuss] re - Security Application Message-ID: <571B06D35309794BA9204B5A090CC1010101EFD9@lanmhs50.rd.francetelecom.fr> I have also seen it with a Systems layer that provides an interactive interface to handle multiple cameras. cu, O. 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For more information on the track, please visit http://www.streamingmedia.com/east/program/index.asp?d=2 &type=&t=3. In addition, M4IF Members companies can receive a exhibition and/or conference package discount. TO REGISTER Go to http://www.streamingmedia.com/east/registration.asp?menu=attend. Conference packages start as low as $165 for a half-day pass. STREAMING MEDIA EAST 2002 CONFERENCE - September 30-October 3 The comprehensive conference program focuses on the key components on streaming in the enterprise, digital media and entertainment, interactive advertising and a three-day track for webcasters. EXHIBITION - October 1-3 The Streaming Media East 2002 Exhibition features the most cutting-edge, industry leading companies showcasing the latest in streaming and digital media advancements. The exhibition floor is the number one place to learn about leading projects, experience the latest technologies and do business. Attend the exhibition floor for FREE with pre-registration (a $50 value)! Go to http://www.streamingmedia.com/east/registration.asp?menu=exhibit#expo. Shawn M4IF Marketing Chair envivio. Shawn AMBWANI VP Business Development 801 Gateway Boulevard, Suite 402 South San Francisco, CA 94080 O:650.875.3005 F:650.745.0711 M:415.786.5007 shawn@envivio.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/discuss/attachments/20020917/1280bfba/attachment.html From Frank Zwinkau.de Wed Sep 18 17:36:57 2002 From: Frank Zwinkau.de (Frank Zwinkau) Date: Wed Jul 23 13:51:38 2003 Subject: [M4IF Discuss] MPEG-4 Content transport over MPEG-2 Transport Stream Message-ID: I?m looking for papers or project presentations about ?MPEG-4 Content transport over MPEG-2 Transport Stream (DVB)?. I know the ISO Standards 14496-1 Annex C, 13818-1 Amendment 7 and the projects SAMBITS, NexTV and MADISON. Is the project AIC Advanced Interactive Content going on? (I? ve read last from May 2000 ) Does anyone know other interesting things about this topic? Especially I? m interested in more up to date topics about the integration. And topics about the signaling system, with or without DMIF. Thanks, Regards. Frank http://www.iavas.de/ From lwells sera-bo.com Fri Sep 20 10:36:41 2002 From: lwells sera-bo.com (Loren Wells) Date: Wed Jul 23 13:51:39 2003 Subject: [M4IF Discuss] Fw: Commercial broadcast with MP4 Message-ID: <003d01c260aa$c11857a0$0200a8c0@serabo.com> The reason for my suscribing to the discussion list is in the e-mail below. At the suggestion of Mr. Paul Ritchie, I am forwarding this e-mail to see if I can get some info on the subject. Loren Wells ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Ritchie To: 'Loren Wells' Cc: Rob Koenen Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2023 5:52 PM Subject: RE: Commercial broadcast with MP4 Hello Loren Wells. First, thank you for your interest, and question about using MP-4 for broadcast quality video. Let me suggest another approach that will give you a larger audience for your question. To obtain assistance of a technical nature, or deployment issue like this,...... please post your questions to our technotes@lists.m4if.org reflector and someone will respond with answers to your questions. You will first need to self-subscribe to this reflector before you can post to it, which you can do through our website at www.m4if.org. The specific link to the public email lists is http://www.m4if.org/public/publiclistreg.php Also, as you browse our website, don't forget to look at our upcoming events, and the MPEG4 products & services page at http://www.m4if.org/products/ Regards, Paul Ritchie Executive Director, MPEG-4 Industry Forum _______________________ Paul Ritchie VP Global Inventures 2694 Bishop Dr., Suite 275 San Ramon, CA USA ph: +1.925.275.6654 fax: +1.925.275.6691 -----Original Message----- From: Loren Wells [mailto:lwells@sera-bo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2023 2:55 PM To: paul.ritchie@m4if.org Subject: Commercial broadcast with MP4 Mr. Ritchie My name is Loren Wells and I am the general manager of a small telecom integrator/operator in Bolivia. We have been looking into the commercial application of MPEG-4 as a satellite delivery mechanism for commercial TV delivery. The reason for this is obviously the tremendous advantages in bandwidth and the built-in control that comes form delivery in IP format. Can you tell me if you know of anyone who is currently using MPEG-4 as an over-the-air broadcast protocol?? If so, could you please put me in touch with them. I see a lot of talk about it, but I don't know of anyone who is using it for broadcast quality video. Thank you for your time and effort. Loren Wells SERA Ltda. lwells@sera-bo.com www.sera-bo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/discuss/attachments/20020920/c17820eb/attachment.html From rkoenen intertrust.com Mon Sep 30 12:50:31 2002 From: rkoenen intertrust.com (Rob Koenen) Date: Wed Jul 23 13:51:39 2003 Subject: [M4IF Discuss] MPEG-4 Content transport over MPEG-2 Transport Stream Message-ID: <3C124172E7FDD511B510000347426D5901324BAB@exchange.epr.com> > Is the project AIC Advanced Interactive Content going on? > (I' ve read last from May 2000 ) I am not sure, but I think it is not. Perhaps Olivier Avaro knows more. Rob ----------- I'm looking for papers or project presentations about "MPEG-4 Content transport over MPEG-2 Transport Stream (DVB)". I know the ISO Standards 14496-1 Annex C, 13818-1 Amendment 7 and the projects SAMBITS, NexTV and MADISON. Is the project AIC Advanced Interactive Content going on? (I' ve read last from May 2000 ) Does anyone know other interesting things about this topic? Especially I' m interested in more up to date topics about the integration. And topics about the signaling system, with or without DMIF. Thanks, Regards. Frank http://www.iavas.de/ _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.m4if.org http://lists.m4if.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss