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usage fee doesn't make any sense. For example, you can produce a few =
bytes
long scene that can run indefinitely (animation loop). Downloading this
would take a fraction of a second so what do pay for under the "usage =
fee"?
What does "usage" means in this case?=20
=20
Maybe an MPEG LA reprentative can explain us?
=20
Kind regards,
=20
Mike=20
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From: discuss-admin lists.m4if.org [mailto:discuss-admin lists.m4if.org] =
On
Behalf Of Rob Koenen (M4IF)
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2023 10:10 AM
To: 'Holger Grahn - Bitmanagement'; M4IF Discussion List
Subject: RE: [M4IF Discuss] FW: MPEG-4 Audio Licensing begins
Holger,
=20
I wouldn't know; who pays licensing fees is none of my business.=20
=20
Some licenses have a threshold that may apply. Some information is on
licensors' websites.=20
=20
You should ask the people that make software available if you really =
want to
know.=20
=20
Kind Regards,
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Holger Grahn - Bitmanagement =
[mailto:holger.grahn bitmanagement.de]=20
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2023 14:02
To: rob.koenen m4if.org; M4IF Discussion List
Cc: M4IF news
Subject: Re: [M4IF Discuss] FW: MPEG-4 Audio Licensing begins
=20
Hi Rob,
=20
just curious,
are all these companies/institutions/projects/individuals offering =
public
download MPEG-4 stuff paying
MPEG-LA /System /Audio/Video fees ?
=20
Or are these downloads are somehow illegal offerings, or will these free
downloads stop at the end of the year because of the initial grace =
periods
and they all get sued ?
What is for example with Divx Networks, MPEG4IP - mp4creator, IBM's
Authoring tools ?
and btw how to measure royalties for encoders, especially Systems =
encoders
producing scene graph files
which can run an endless animations ?
=20
Greetings
=20
Holger
=20
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rob <mailto:rob.koenen m4if.org> Koenen (M4IF)=20
To: M4IF Discussion List <mailto:discuss lists.m4if.org> =20
Cc: M4IF news <mailto:news lists.m4if.org> =20
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2023 7:56 PM
Subject: [M4IF Discuss] FW: MPEG-4 Audio Licensing begins
I tired to send this message to the news list twice yesterday, but there =
are
some problems with that list.=20
Hopefully thisd does work.=20
Rob=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: Rob Koenen (M4IF) [ <mailto:rob.koenen m4if.org>
mailto:rob.koenen m4if.org]=20
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2023 11:16=20
To: 'M4IF news'=20
Subject: MPEG-4 Audio Licensing begins=20
M4IF News Readers,=20
The news that MPEG-4 Audio licensing has begun was just released on the =
news
wire.=20
I think this is great news for MPEG-4 Audio, which includes MPEG-4 AAC. =
I
hope - and expect - that this will enable deployment of many =
interoperable
services and devices with great audio quality.=20
Kind Regards,=20
Rob Koenen=20
President, M4IF=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D525172118-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
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size=3D2>Those are good questions indeed. Note that the use fee is =
*much* more=20
limited in the case of Systems than in the case of Visual, and in =
many=20
cases it doesn't apply - such as your downloading example (I *believe* - =
MPEG LA=20
to confirm or refute)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D525172118-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D525172118-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Interestingly MPEG-4 Systems can be used to loop an MPEG-4 =
Visual clip -=20
and the same question *is* pertinent. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D525172118-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D525172118-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
have asked similar questions in the past, such as what with two videos =
that are=20
meant to run in parallel in two windows, but can also run =
sequentially.=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D525172118-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D525172118-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Holger's question seems to contain a misunderstanding on the =
use fee,=20
namely that it applies to encoding. As I understand the license, this is =
not the=20
case. Rather, the use fee applies to the content being transmitted, =
served,=20
packaged, etc. Again, MPEG LA to confirm or correct.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D525172118-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D525172118-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Rob</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
Mikael=20
Bourges-Sevenier [mailto:mikael sevenier.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, =
June=20
16, 2003 11:19<BR><B>To:</B> rob.koenen m4if.org; 'Holger Grahn -=20
Bitmanagement'; 'M4IF Discussion List'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [M4IF =
Discuss]=20
FW: MPEG-4 Audio Licensing begins<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D799331018-16062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Rob,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D799331018-16062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D799331018-16062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>even=20
if we can't answer for the licensing fees, Holger asks an =
important=20
question (that was asked since early last year) regarding =
Systems=20
licensing. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D799331018-16062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D799331018-16062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>From=20
my understanding, Systems licensing follows Video licensing but the =
usage fee=20
doesn't make any sense. For example, you can produce a few bytes long =
scene=20
that can run indefinitely (animation loop). Downloading this would =
take a=20
fraction of a second so what do pay for under the "usage fee"? What =
does=20
"usage" means in this case? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D799331018-16062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D799331018-16062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Maybe an MPEG LA reprentative can explain =
us?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D799331018-16062003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><SPAN class=3D799331018-16062003><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Kind regards,</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><SPAN=20
class=3D799331018-16062003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma><SPAN class=3D799331018-16062003><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Mike</FONT> </SPAN><BR><FONT =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D799331018-16062003><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff> </FONT></SPAN>-----Original =
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
discuss-admin lists.m4if.org [mailto:discuss-admin lists.m4if.org] =
<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Rob Koenen (M4IF)<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 16, 2023 =
10:10=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Holger Grahn - Bitmanagement'; M4IF Discussion=20
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [M4IF Discuss] FW: MPEG-4 Audio Licensing=20
begins<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D344460417-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Holger,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D344460417-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D344460417-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>I wouldn't know; who pays licensing fees is none of my =
business.=20
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D344460417-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D344460417-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Some licenses have a threshold that may apply. Some =
information is on=20
licensors' websites. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D344460417-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D344460417-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>You should ask the people that make software available if =
you really=20
want to know. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D344460417-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D344460417-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Kind Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D344460417-16062003><FONT face=3DVerdana =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Rob</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
Holger Grahn=20
- Bitmanagement [mailto:holger.grahn bitmanagement.de] =
<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
Friday, June 13, 2023 14:02<BR><B>To:</B> rob.koenen m4if.org; =
M4IF=20
Discussion List<BR><B>Cc:</B> M4IF news<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[M4IF=20
Discuss] FW: MPEG-4 Audio Licensing begins<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Rob,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>just curious,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>are all these=20
companies/institutions/projects/individuals offering public =
download=20
MPEG-4 stuff paying</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MPEG-LA /System /Audio/Video fees =
?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Or are these downloads are =
somehow illegal=20
offerings, or will these free downloads stop at the end of the=20
year because of the initial grace periods and they all get =
sued=20
?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What is for example with Divx =
Networks,=20
MPEG4IP - mp4creator, IBM's Authoring tools ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and btw how to measure royalties =
for=20
encoders, especially Systems encoders producing scene graph=20
files</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>which can run an endless =
animations=20
?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Greetings</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Holger</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Drob.koenen m4if.org =
href=3D"mailto:rob.koenen m4if.org">Rob=20
Koenen (M4IF)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Ddiscuss lists.m4if.org=20
href=3D"mailto:discuss lists.m4if.org">M4IF Discussion List</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3Dnews lists.m4if.org=20
href=3D"mailto:news lists.m4if.org">M4IF news</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 07, =
2003 7:56=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [M4IF Discuss] =
FW: MPEG-4=20
Audio Licensing begins</DIV>
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<P><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I tired to send =
this message=20
to the news list twice yesterday, but there are some problems =
with that=20
list.</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Hopefully thisd=20
does work.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Rob</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
face=3DVerdana></FONT> <FONT face=3DTahoma =
size=3D1>-----Original=20
Message-----</FONT> <BR><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D1>From:=20
</FONT></B> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D1>Rob Koenen (M4IF) =
[</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:rob.koenen m4if.org"><U><FONT face=3DTahoma =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D1>mailto:rob.koenen m4if.org</FONT></U></A><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D1>] </FONT><BR><B><FONT face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D1>Sent: </FONT></B> <FONT face=3DTahoma =
size=3D1>Friday,=20
June 06, 2023 11:16</FONT> <BR><B><FONT face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D1>To: </FONT></B> <FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D1>'M4IF news'</FONT> <BR><B><FONT face=3DTahoma=20
=
size=3D1>Subject: </FONT></B>=20
<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D1>MPEG-4 Audio Licensing =
begins</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>M4IF News Readers,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>The news that MPEG-4 Audio =
licensing has=20
begun was just released on the news wire.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>I think this is great news for =
MPEG-4=20
Audio, which includes MPEG-4 AAC. I hope - and expect - that =
this will=20
enable deployment of many interoperable services and devices =
with great=20
audio quality. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>Kind Regards,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>Rob Koenen</FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DVerdana=20
size=3D2>President, M4IF</FONT>=20
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