[MPEGIF Discuss] [systems] [discussion] Who framed MPEG-4 withinH264 ?

[Cyril Fombonne]

Hello Igino,
This would be true if Nero Digital(tm) did not exist. 
Nero Digital(tm) is the brand name that encompasses MPEG-4 Audio, MPEG-4 Video and MPEG-4 System parts of the ISO 14496. 
Regarding the specs, this is really a global MPEG-4 implementation with some more extended features. That means that it brings all flavours of crispy AAC (LC, HE) sound with all system features such as MP4 file with chapter marks, multiple subtitles, multiple audio tracks.
Now moving to technology. All the above mentionned features are existing now and IC manufacturers already start to embedd the technology. Ateme, co-developper of Nero Digital with Ahead Software, has it all for you to deploy devices, including full documentation and licensing schemes.
Now try the first tool featuring Nero Digital(tm) : Nero Recode 2 (encode any content to Nero Digital file). This is the best performing tool to date on the encoding side. Speed benchmarks confirm this, at equal quality / set of parameters. The easiness is also emphasised. And above all, Nero Digital relies on a very large community of users creating content every day, and potentially creating a pull for embedded STBs / players.
I hope you got the message and that everyone will keep pushing MPEG-4 Video but also Audio and System as it proves himself to be simply the best technology for quality at lowest bitrates.
Cyril Fombonne
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: igino manfre' 
  To: mp4-tech lists.mpegif.org ; discuss lists.mpegif.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2023 7:26 PM
  Subject: [MPEGIF Discuss] [systems] [discussion] Who framed MPEG-4 withinH264 ?
  Hi people,
  It seems me that we are forgetting that MPEG-4 is NOT ONLY a visual
  compression scheme.
  Really it is all but BUT NOT ONLY a visual compression scheme.
  I presume you all agree.
  If we consider the subjects of this newsgroup, in the last two-three years
  the focus migrates from the visual (who was in or out MPEG-4) to the MPEG-LA
  licensing schemes (that could better defined "mpeg-4 suicide") and again
  back to the visual (h264). It can be also felt a growing interest from India
  and far east.
  In this landscape, I find almost no mail related to the "system" of MPEG-4,
  and I do not think because they are better explained.
  Two years ago there had been a lot of development of SDKs and authoring
  systems in the area, many of which used to work (even fine). Probably all
  these have been commercial flops since now at the exhibitions no-one is more
  pushing fully MPEG-4 based solutions. All and only H264. Does it means that
  MPEG-4 (in its complex) is dead ?
  Really, for what I know, excluding the many experiments and demo targeted to
  demostrate the power of object encoding and multiplexing within MPEG-4
  systems (meanly two-three years old), I do not know any "true" (i.e.
  marketable) application of "true" MPEG-4 after the part "-2".
  Today the entire world is fashioned by H264. Its astonishing 2-3 Mbps 720P
  video will probably be the first "true" MPEG-4 part really diffused on the
  Earth. All the broadcast encoder manufacturer are today able to show their
  h264 solution...
  But the broadcast usage will probably be a terrible mix of H264 ES video &
  MP3 or AC3 audio over MPEG-2 transport. The goal is to "squeeze" enough the
  required bandwidth to allow the deploiment of high definition TV over cable
  modem. To make this mix dirtier, probably these broadcast will carry OCAP or
  MHP/OpenTV interactivity.
  Does not it sound a little blasfeme ? What do you think about ?
  The diffusion of MPEG-2 STB is not a key factor, since the current STBs must
  be replaced in any case to decompress the H264. But a STB that will be able
  to decode H264 could have enough computational power to implement the entire
  standard.
  Really it is an architectural problem since if the entire decoder will be
  put in a dice of silicon any further expansion could not be possible...
  An observation I expect is that as "the market trains the research", as well
  it trains the newsgroups. But maybe the locomotives (or who designs the
  railways) do not sufficiently know what COULD be available...
  Are we really sure to have done the right work ?
  Best regards, Igino Manfre'
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