[Mp4-tech] Re: Mp4-tech Digest, Vol 4, Issue 24

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>   1. TMN8 (zhweizh)
>   2. RE: TMN8 (Dhiraj Nadgouda)
>   3. Re: TMN8 (Zhenzhong CHEN)
>   4. RE: H.263 in Mpeg4 file format (Mohit M)
>   5. RE: H.263 in Mpeg4 file format (Dave Singer)
>   6. Re: H.263 in Mpeg4 file format (Parag  Chaurasia)
>   7. Quicktime 6.4 MPEG-4 & 3GPP support and license issues
>      (Laurent Le Bourhis)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2023 11:2:35 +0800
>From: zhweizh <zhweizh mailst.xjtu.edu.cn>
>Subject: [Mp4-tech] TMN8
>To: "Mp4-tech lists.mpegif.org" <Mp4-tech lists.mpegif.org>
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>Hi,
>  I want to find a MPEG-4 VM with the TMN8 rate-control algorithm. Please tell me where I can find the VM.
>thanks alot.
> 						
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>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2023 09:57:04 +0530
>From: "Dhiraj Nadgouda" <dhiraj motechsoftware.com>
>Subject: RE: [Mp4-tech] TMN8
>To: <Mp4-tech lists.mpegif.org>
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>Hi,
>Here is where u can have TMN8...
>
>http://kbs.cs.tu-berlin.de/~stewe/vceg/archive.htm#TML8
>
>
>Regards,
>Dhiraj Nadgouda
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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:mp4-tech-bounces lists.mpegif.org] On Behalf Of zhweizh
>Sent: Friday, November 28, 2023 8:31 AM
>To: Mp4-tech lists.mpegif.org
>Subject: [Mp4-tech] TMN8
>
>Hi,
>  I want to find a MPEG-4 VM with the TMN8 rate-control algorithm.
>Please tell me where I can find the VM.
>thanks alot.
> 						
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>Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2023 12:46:31 +0800
>From: "Zhenzhong CHEN" <zhenzhongc hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Mp4-tech] TMN8
>To: <dhiraj motechsoftware.com>, <Mp4-tech lists.mpegif.org>
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>That's TML8, not TMN8. :-)
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dhiraj Nadgouda" <dhiraj motechsoftware.com>
>To: <Mp4-tech lists.mpegif.org>
>Sent: Friday, November 28, 2023 12:27 PM
>Subject: RE: [Mp4-tech] TMN8
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>
>>
>> Hi,
>> Here is where u can have TMN8...
>>
>> http://kbs.cs.tu-berlin.de/~stewe/vceg/archive.htm#TML8
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dhiraj Nadgouda
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mp4-tech-bounces lists.mpegif.org
>> [mailto:mp4-tech-bounces lists.mpegif.org] On Behalf Of zhweizh
>> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2023 8:31 AM
>> To: Mp4-tech lists.mpegif.org
>> Subject: [Mp4-tech] TMN8
>>
>> Hi,
>>   I want to find a MPEG-4 VM with the TMN8 rate-control algorithm.
>> Please tell me where I can find the VM.
>> thanks alot.
>>
>> $B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(Bzhweizh
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>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2023 11:29:54 +0530
>From: "Mohit M" <mohitm convergelabs.com>
>Subject: RE: [Mp4-tech] H.263 in Mpeg4 file format
>To: "Dave Singer" <singer apple.com>, <bfelts envivio.com>,	"corland
>	ho" <corlandho yahoo.com>
>Cc: Mp4-tech lists.mpegif.org
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>Thanks a lot for document...
>can i find any open source code for creating file...
>
>Thanks
>Mohit
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Singer [mailto:singer apple.com]
>Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2023 9:21 PM
>To: Mohit M; bfelts envivio.com; corland ho
>Cc: Mp4-tech lists.mpegif.org
>Subject: Re: [Mp4-tech] H.263 in Mpeg4 file format
>
>
>At 11:04 AM +0530 11/26/03, Mohit M wrote:
>>Hi
>>I have raw encoded H.263 video and encoded AMR audio .
>>It is possible to convert it in Mpeg4 file format so that i can play
>>it.., if yes is there any project doing this
>>
>>Thanks
>>Mohit
>
>The storage of H.263 in ISO family files has been defined by 3GPP.
>Have a look at 26.234 in release 5 at www.3gpp.org.
>
>H.264 (AVC) storage in ISO files is essentially defined in an MPEG
>document which has not yet (quite) been issued.  The choices range
>from 'simple' streams which look structurally similar to say MPEG-4
>video, with different code-points, through fairly rich support of new
>codec features.
>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: bfelts envivio.com [mailto:bfelts envivio.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2023 12:08 AM
>>To: corland ho
>>Cc: Mp4-tech lists.mpegif.org
>>Subject: Re: [Mp4-tech] H.264 in .mp4 format
>>
>>
>>Of course! It has been defined by MPEG.
>>There are products (and maybe projects?) doing this.
>>You can check on our website: www.envivio.com
>>
>>Boris Felts
>>
>>>
>>>  Hi,
>>>
>>>  Is it possible to wrap the  h.264 bit stream into .mp4 format? If yes, is
>>>  there any project doing this?
>>>
>>>  Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Corland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2023 09:17:28 +0200
>From: Dave Singer <singer apple.com>
>Subject: RE: [Mp4-tech] H.263 in Mpeg4 file format
>To: Mohit M <mohitm convergelabs.com>, bfelts envivio.com,	corland ho
>	<corlandho yahoo.com>
>Cc: Mp4-tech lists.mpegif.org
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>At 11:29 AM +0530 11/28/03, Mohit M wrote:
>>Thanks a lot for document...
>>can i find any open source code for creating file...
>
>The MPEG4IP project supports the file format, and I think it should
>be possible to add to it to cover at least the simple 263 and 264
>cases.
>
>>
>>Thanks
>>Mohit
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dave Singer [mailto:singer apple.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2023 9:21 PM
>>To: Mohit M; bfelts envivio.com; corland ho
>>Cc: Mp4-tech lists.mpegif.org
>>Subject: Re: [Mp4-tech] H.263 in Mpeg4 file format
>>
>>
>>At 11:04 AM +0530 11/26/03, Mohit M wrote:
>>>Hi
>>>I have raw encoded H.263 video and encoded AMR audio .
>>>It is possible to convert it in Mpeg4 file format so that i can play
>>>it.., if yes is there any project doing this
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>Mohit
>>
>>The storage of H.263 in ISO family files has been defined by 3GPP.
>>Have a look at 26.234 in release 5 at www.3gpp.org.
>>
>>H.264 (AVC) storage in ISO files is essentially defined in an MPEG
>>document which has not yet (quite) been issued.  The choices range
>>from 'simple' streams which look structurally similar to say MPEG-4
>>video, with different code-points, through fairly rich support of new
>>codec features.
>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: bfelts envivio.com [mailto:bfelts envivio.com]
>>>Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2023 12:08 AM
>>>To: corland ho
>>>Cc: Mp4-tech lists.mpegif.org
>>>Subject: Re: [Mp4-tech] H.264 in .mp4 format
>>>
>>>
>>>Of course! It has been defined by MPEG.
>>>There are products (and maybe projects?) doing this.
>>>You can check on our website: www.envivio.com
>>>
>>>Boris Felts
>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Hi,
>>>>
>>>>   Is it possible to wrap the  h.264 bit stream into .mp4 format? If yes, is
>>>>   there any project doing this?
>>>>
>>>>   Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Corland
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>   Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now
>>>
>>>
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>>Apple Computer/QuickTime
>
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: 28 Nov 2023 07:51:33 -0000
>From: "Parag  Chaurasia" <paragchaurasia rediffmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Mp4-tech] H.263 in Mpeg4 file format
>To: "Mohit M" <mohitm convergelabs.com>
>Cc: bfelts envivio.com, Mp4-tech lists.mpegif.org,	corland ho
>	<corlandho yahoo.com>
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>  It's possible insert H.263 video and AMR audio in 3GPP file format, which is in some sense, a subset of the mp4 file format. mp4 file format does not support H.263 video in it.
>Well, a "3GPP Component" (freely downloadable from QuickTime's site) attached to Quick Time Player can PLAY 3GPP files, but I doubt if there is any FREE Recorder/Multiplexer which will combine H.263 and AMR into a 3GPP (.3gp) file....
>  Parag.
>
>On Wed, 26 Nov 2023 Mohit M wrote :
>>
>>Hi
>>I have raw encoded H.263 video and encoded AMR audio .
>>It is possible to convert it in Mpeg4 file format so that i can play it.., if yes is there any project doing this
>>
>>Thanks
>>Mohit
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>> From: bfelts envivio.com [mailto:bfelts envivio.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2023 12:08 AM
>>To: corland ho
>>Cc: Mp4-tech lists.mpegif.org
>>Subject: Re: [Mp4-tech] H.264 in .mp4 format
>>
>>
>>Of course! It has been defined by MPEG.
>>There are products (and maybe projects?) doing this.
>>You can check on our website: www.envivio.com
>>
>>Boris Felts
>>
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Is it possible to wrap the  h.264 bit stream into .mp4 format? If yes, is
>> > there any project doing this?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Corland
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2023 10:03:20 +0100
>From: "Laurent Le Bourhis" <lebourhis ondim.fr>
>Subject: [Mp4-tech] Quicktime 6.4 MPEG-4 & 3GPP support and license
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>Hello,
>
>I am currently investigating the best way to include MPEG-4 and 3GPP video
>and audio support in one of our customer's application. As I said it is
>targeted only for video and audio support. One of the intersting solutions
>would be to use Quicktime 6.4 API to perform decoding and demultiplexing. My
>first move was to evaluate how Quicktime behaves itself regarding .mp4 and
>..3gp files. So I went to  Envivio and Philips and downloaded their video
>samples (including interoperability samples). My current success rate is
>only that 50 of the files play correctly. Does anybody could give more
>details about issue ?
>Is Quicktime late regarding interoperability or are the Envivio and Philips
>samples outdated ?
>
>My second question is perhaps more [MP4-discuss]-oriented but nevertheless
>since it regards Quicktime, I'll ask it there. As far as I know, usage of
>MPEG-4 involves licensing fees to be paid to MPEG-LA. If I use the Quicktime
>API including MPEG-4 and 3GP support, do I get it for free since I suppose
>Apple already pays for the license ?
>
>Regards,
>Laurent Le Bourhis
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