[Mp4-tech] [H.264][ControlRate] Anybody knows where to find TMN 5?

[Gary Sullivan]

I was just provided with a copy of what I believe to be the "b" version
of TM 5 in Word format, which is probably a more convenient format than
the document-scan PDF mentioned below, so I put it alongside of the
non-b version as AVC-491b.doc in
http://ftp3.itu.int/av-arch/avc-site/1993-1996/
<http://ftp3.itu.int/av-arch/avc-site/1993-1996/>  
Hopefully the two "b" documents match each other.
Best Regards,
Gary Sullivan
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	Alejandro et al,
	I notice that you referred to a "b" version of TM 5.  The
version that I originally pointed you to was not the "b" version, but
was an earlier one.  I was just informed that a PDF of a scanned copy of
the "b" version can be found in
http://ftp3.itu.int/av-arch/avc-site/1990-1996/H310_H323_Experts_Group/C
ontributions/ 
	I still don't know where the number 225 came from.  I see how it
could be referred to as AVC-491, and WG11-N0400 and M457, but none of
those are 225.
	Best Regards,
	Gary Sullivan
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		From: Alejandro Moya [mailto:almomo1 gmail.com] 
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knows where to find TMN 5?
		Thank you all. I was talking about TM 5 (I though TMN 5
was the same thing as I saw some other documents about rate control
titled as TMN 8) and that was the document I was looking for.
		I saw it referred as 225b here (aka TM 4)
http://www.mpeg.org/MPEG/MSSG/tm5/Overview.html and in some other ITU-T
document which I don't recall right now. 
		Thank you again, Mr. Sullivan.
		2006/2/15, Gary Sullivan
<garysull windows.microsoft.com>: 
			Alejandro et al,
			Are you talking about TMN 5 or TM 5?  Those are
two different things.  I suspect that you're talking about TM 5, which
is the 1993 ITU-T AVC document 491 and (I think) MPEG output document
N0400 and perhaps the same thing as MPEG input document M457.  It is a
committee working-practice document, not a formal standard, so it is not
for sale in any official fashion. 
			I don't know why you see it referred to as 225b.
Maybe that was an earlier version.
			See
http://ftp3.itu.int/av-arch/avc-site/1993-1996/ 
			Best Regards,
			-Gary Sullivan
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Anybody knows where to find TMN 5? 
				Hi!
				I am currently studying some rate
control proposals (such as JVT-D030 and JVT-E069) and both refer to
ISO/IEC JTC1/SC29/WG11/93 - 225b also know as TMN 5; I think it is a
rate control for MPEG-2 but anyway I would read that document before
attempting with the newer ones, so I could learn the basis. 
				Where could I find it? I suppose I will
have to pay for it to ISO but not even in its website I found it...
				THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!
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